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laukarfei
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no i dont disagree about the boxing glove, boxing gloves give alot of protection and do make it easier to do alot of boxing techniques. lol obviously honestly nothing im talking about is all crazy advanced or anything special im just saying that the boxing techniques like slipping and blocking are GOOD to use without gloves. thats all
is it harder, yea it is but honestly its not so easy to apply HK against a experienced fighter either. nothing worth having or having done is ever easy anyway, i was just saying its effective and leaves little room for error on your part whereas other methods do like the ones mentioned above |
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Rising Crane
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Good thread! 
It's true that Hap Gar doesn't train blocks as such. There are no movements in the forms that resemble karate like blocks. I really think that all fighters pretty much figured out that that approach is not functional. Everybody who spars works out that evasion is best, followed by parrying and lastly covering up. Really you need all three because you cannot always guarantee the range or you might be sucker punched etc.
Like hung gar, hap gar trains the bridges. If I swing and you put up an arm, I want to be able to go through it. It's just we try not to 'stick' to the bridge.
I'll give a couple of specific examples:
Instead of a 'bong sau', we have a 'sin choi' (Slipping punch) the punch is thrown with the little finger knuckle pointing upward, so the opponents strike is deflected with the forearm on the way to the target. It's like a bong sau and hit in one motion.
Instead of an 'upper block' we have a 'pok yik' which deflects the punch in an upward direction, whilst striking under the chin with a backfist.
Most of our defences work in this way.
For attacking the opponents bridge: Our 'tin gwong choi' is identical to the hung gar 'pek choi': vicious  |
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crazedjustice888
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Hey Rising Crane. I have seen your Hop Gar vids and am thoroughly impressed. I am starting Hop Gar...and its PAINFUL!!! Especially with those Mok Yee Pai. I am training under David Chin. Do you know him? I am also continuing my Hung style training. So I wanted to see the two styles opinions on this topic. They both seem to run hand in hand but have different ways of pulling it off...does that make sense... 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: |
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some great info here, thnx guys!
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Rising Crane
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: |
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crazedjustice888:
I have never had the pleasure of meeting David Chin. My Sifu spoke very highly of his teacher, Ng Yim Ming. I am glad you are enjoying your training! Please send my respects to master Chin.
| Quote: | | They both seem to run hand in hand but have different ways of pulling it off...does that make sense... |
I think you are right! Which is better depends on the individual. If you are lighter with a long reach, or stocky and powerful will determine your fighting method.
For example: My Sifu's grandfather was Hung Gar. He never studied wrestling because nobody could take him down!(Maybe everybody's takedowns sucked ) My Sifu only weighs about 100lbs, so despite being incredibly powerful for his size (He could squat 400lbs!) he found people could pick him up easily, so he cross trained more in wrestling to avoid this.
My point is that the individual should dictate the fighting style (as long as it is based on experience and not fantasy)- all methods are good but we can all learn from each other. |
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crazedjustice888
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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That makes a lot of sense and MAN your sifus Grandfather must have had a MONSTROUS stance...I myself have long arms and long legs which David Chin says is perfect for the Hop Gar system, but I am light. I can't seem to put on weight no matter WHAT I do...lol so my Hung gar sifu also teaches Shui Jiao...hope I spelled that right, to allow me to counter those kinds of techniques. So I get what you mean and am glad what I said made sense.
Also, I will gladly send your regards to my sifu.
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laukarfei
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| hey CJ what have you tried as far as putting on weight, maybe i(we) can give you some pointers |
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crazedjustice888
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well...basically eating and rings and now Mok Yee Pai...lol
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Cj if you haven't hit 30 you will add more weight than you want around there
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I JUST turned 20 January 10th...lol People just think I am too skinny, but today I actually held my own against Shuai Chiao guys...it was AWESOME!!!!
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