[researcher]

Hello, first time post long time lurker...

Im putting together a history of Hung Ga in another language and trying to get my facts straight as it will be published. A few odd trivial questions I have that I thought people here could help with. Sorry if something has been addressed already!

What was Hung Hei Goon's original name? I know his surname was Jue but does anyone know the full name?

Did Hung Hei Goon escape the destruction of the Shaolin temple (fukien I think?), or just left at a certain time?

I heard he learned "black tiger fist" from Ji Sin... was that so or just learned some type of Tiger Style?

Hung Hei Goon's wife was Fong Wing Chun; was her style Fukien White Crane or Wing Chun White Crane?

Is it known what Wong Fei Hung learned from Wong Yan Lam of Lama Pai? I know the section Chat Sing Leen Waan is the 7 long fist section within Tiger Crane but is anything known further than that?

Traditionally, it seems, there was some "drunken" elements added to the system by Wong. I read there was contact and influence from Sou Hat Yi regarding this point. Any confirmation or expansion on this?


Sorry for the random questions, hope someone can help out!

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hello, how are you? are researching info for a website or a book? so or so, good luck in your reearch and writting, we are on the same ship

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[researcher]

Thank you! Its research for a website and an article for our Hung Ga school in Japan. There is little information on Hung Ga here, and what exists seems very inaccurate, so before translating my stuff to Japanese I want it to be as detailed and accurate as possible!

-Jue Gu Cha was a nickname meaning "tea merchant Jue". So just seeing if his real name still exists or lost in history.

-What Hung Hei Goon learned was "fujian shaolin" right? Thus the original short bridge narrow stance.

-Fong Wing Chun was the assumed name of Fong Chat Leung (7th daughter). But Fujian White Crane supposedly came from Ng Mui, so maybe the formerly mistaken Yim Wing Chun (of Wing Chun style, and supposedly a myth in their current reports) is the actual one. Hmmm, if this one girl has 3 names then that would make her Wing Chun Saam Leung (3 girls called Wing Chun). Maybe too big a topic.

-Ive found quite alot of Chinese sources talking about the Lama masters Wong Yan Lum and Sing Lung teaching Wong Fei Hung, Wong Kei Ying, and Teet Kiu Saam. Should be something known.

-About the drunken... isnt the 2 cross steps (kei lun bo) originally performed drunken? One section of Tiger Crane is also drunken too. There is some drunken connection definitely.


Thanks for your help though, I hope to get at least partial resolution

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[researcher]

Sing Lung taught Leung Kwan (Teet Kiu Saam), and his disciple Wong Yan Lum taught both Wong Fei Hung and Wong Kei Ying. The first time I heard of this was directly from Chau Wing Dak during a session on the Tiger Crane form. I didnt think much at the time but then heard it brought up several times so decided to check it out. I went to Lo Wai Keung of Lama Pai who confirmed the same story. Master Lo is one of the most knowledgeable and capable masters Ive ever encountered, just had to mention that! Anyway, there are mentions in some old chinese texts that I could dig up if you want something substantial, but it doesnt speak further than what I said.

And from what I saw in your other posts the "white crane" is not that of Lama. That particular White Crane that is popular now days was a faction of Lama Pai that was the product of one of Wong Yan Lum's students, so this White Crane didnt exist back then, at least not by that name.

Hard to get to the bottom of the Wing Chun lady but it really looks like its the same person. Ng Mui founded the Fujian White Crane (correct me if Im wrong), and according to folklore taught a girl named Yim Wing Chun whom the Wing Chun people today now claim either wasnt real or simply wasnt a part of the Wing Chun style. And the wife of Hung Hei Goon was said to be a practitioner or developer of either White Crane or Wing Chun White Crane, and named Wing Chun. Maybe there isnt any reason to believe there is more than 1 person here?!

Ill check into that matter and that of the drunken component (I still think theres something unknown there) on my side of the world and get back to you with what I find... if anything.

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the only (relatively new) Chinese source i know that mentiones "Golden Hook" Lei/"Bearded" Lei taught Tit Kiu Saam is a study by Ng Ho. Lama paai people (Lo sifu, eng sifu form Canton) say that it was a nickname of Sing Lung. none of the Hung Kyun written history i know mentiones this - just monk Gwokyan. also, i have not found yet any Chinese source saying Wong Yanlam taught Wong Keiying/Wong Feihung - just an article by David Ross sifu (also lama paai)

[TenTigers]

"the eight drunken immortals section" or the kei lun bo section of FHSYK in every Tang Fong line I have seen (Jau Wing-Duk, Chan Tai-Hing, Yuen Ling, Lau Ke Tong,Ho Lap-Tien) all perform this section with drunkard's staggering steps and hand techniques, however I have never seen any Lam Sai-Wing schools do this.
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